Emi Tull | From Japan to London: Yoga, Dharma & Spiritual Awakening

Emi Tull is a seasoned yoga instructor renowned for her transformative journey from a professional dancer to a Dharma Yoga teacher. Born in Japan and now living in London, Tull's dedication to yoga, particularly under the guidance of Sri Dharma Mittra, highlights her deep spiritual commitment. She is celebrated for teaching across various prestigious studios in London, passionately sharing the teachings and spiritual intricacies of Dharma Yoga, and engaging her community in kirtan and mantra chanting.

Visit Emi here: https://lifetohappiness.com/

Key Takeaways:

• Emi Tull's journey from a dancer in Japan to a respected Dharma Yoga instructor in London underscores the importance of spiritual connection and perseverance.
• Language and cultural challenges are part of Emi's unique journey, leading to deeper insights and personal growth within her yoga practice.
• The transformative power of kirtan and mantra chanting is integral to Emi's spiritual evolution, emphasizing the emotional depth and community connection these practices foster.
• Despite yoga's physical focus in Western countries, Emi advocates balancing spiritual and physical practices within yoga teaching.
• The experience of aging and evolving within one's yoga practice is natural, and Emi underscores the significance of this acceptance in fostering a lifelong commitment to yoga.

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Transcript

Todd McLaughlin: 0:33

Welcome to Native Yoga Toddcast. So happy you are here. My goal with this channel is to bring inspirational speakers to the mic in the field of yoga, massage, bodywork and beyond. Follow us at @nativeyoga and check us out at nativeyogacenter.com. All right, let's begin. Hello and welcome to Native Yoga Toddcast today. My special guest is Emmy Takahashi Tull. You can find her on her website, lifetohappiness.com and you can also follow her on Instagram at emitull, spelled EMI, T, U, L, L, I'm so delighted to have this opportunity to meet and speak with Emi as she shares about her yoga journey from growing up in Japan, living in New York City and Now as a yoga teacher in London, England, and I hope you enjoy this episode. We had a really great conversation. I can't wait for you to hear we did experience a little bit of internet trouble at the very end, which cut us off. However, I take it as a positive sign that everything Emi shares here is just enough to make our yoga world a little bit better. I hope you enjoy this conversation, and let's go ahead and begin. I'm really honored to have this opportunity to have Emi Tull here on the podcast. Emi. Thank you so much for joining me today. I really appreciate it.

Emi Tull: 2:18

Thank you so much. Thank you for this opportunity. Thank you for inviting me.

Todd McLaughlin: 2:22

You are welcome. I am really excited to hear about your journey into yoga or through yoga. Can you tell me a little bit about Well, number one, I'd like to start off. Where do you live? I live in London at the moment. Wonderful. And you were where were you born?

Unknown: 2:41

I born in Japan, great.

Todd McLaughlin: 2:43

And when did you learn English?

Unknown: 2:47

Oh, English. Was that my worst subject? When I in school, we had in Japan, we had to do the English as a part of the study and from the about just 1213, years old. Now I think they started much earlier, but yeah, I did. I think I didn't know how to learn the language. So yeah, the English was the worst one for me. But then I moved to after that graduate graduate school, and I went to New York, and I lived there. Still rubbish up in English, but then yeah, gradually little Pareto gaining little words, 90 page. So yeah, so I didn't, yeah, and my English, I'm not always proud about you.

Todd McLaughlin: 3:44

Sound amazing. So that's I can imagine. That's an incredible challenge. I can't imagine trying to learn Japanese, to be honest, to learn a whole new set of characters and all the things that go into learning language. So well done. I'm curious, did you leave Japan and come to New York, like when you when you were 18? Or how old were you when you I was

Unknown: 4:09

a little bit later, about 20, I think I was 21 Yeah, I went for the dance. I had a dance career. I was practicing dance, and then I had one teacher who was very inspiring. And then she was in Dance Company in New York, and she invited me to come with along with her. And that's the start. I visited a little bit like a month and a half and and then group I practice with invited me to perform in a couple months later, so I went back to Japan and get the visa, and then decided to move.

Todd McLaughlin: 4:52

Wow. Wow, that's cool. So when you after officially moving to New York, were you you. Employed as a dancer

Unknown: 5:04

that time I was still part of the students and then, and then performing as a student gotcha. Gotcha stayed for after that, much longer than I expected.

Todd McLaughlin: 5:16

But yes, understood, and at what point did you start to practice yoga?

Unknown: 5:23

Yoga is much later. I wish I knew that the was that time, but I was walking forward in front of the studio all the time, but then I didn't know, and I met my husband after the 10 years of the New York State, and then I moved to we had a relationship, like a long distance for two years. So I decided to move to London because he was British, and find out after that we met, yeah, so. And then straight after I moved to New York, from New York to London, I got bike accident, and I twisted my both ankles so I couldn't dance anymore. We couldn't wear the point shoes, and I couldn't dance anymore. And then I felt like I wanted to have after the my uncle got it recovered, I wanted to do something. And then I did a little bit of yoga, like some just normal yoga and stuff like that. And then, in the meantime, the while I was apart away from the physical practice, I was more interested in spiritual learning and watching YouTube and stuff about the Dalai Lama and Tibetan monks and and then While I was watching those spiritual videos I saw sridhama Mitra was talking, I think that was, I can't remember which, no, that was anymore, but it was very, very short, like one minute or two, and he was probably talking about the compassion. Just felt that, when looking at him, I know, felt so connected. Oh, this is my teacher. And then I again, went to the normal yoga class and felt that even he's not in front of me, but then practice other yoga class, and it felt like he's calling me. I felt I need Him to guide me, and I cried in the class for the needed to be with him. So then I started, okay, I had to do this wherever he teaches. And then I found out that was Dharma yoga started. Start of my dharma yoga.

Todd McLaughlin: 8:01

Chan, that's really cool. Emmy, I love hearing that story. I like the fact too, that you brought up that while you were living in New York City, you had been walking in front of the studio, maybe on a regular basis, having no idea it's there, and then to have such a powerful sense of connection, even prior to having the opportunity to meet with them. That's that's pretty That's amazing, that's powerful.

Unknown: 8:28

Yeah, I now think, in the beginning I thought, why didn't I met me him when I was there? What time I have I thought in the beginning, but now I see it in my journey. Look back, and if I met him that time, even that was New York, I probably didn't come to London. I didn't marry probably, I'm shaving my head, and then maybe I've been numb, and then maybe living close to Sri Lanka. Probably, I probably have done that. So it's that that made me come to the London. That's how I see and now I serve people with the sridharma knowledge, and then try to serve here. So I think this that way, how it had to be otherwise, I probably didn't come and then people London didn't have me. Yeah. So things global body is slightly different, so I think that was the way how I had to be. But then go back to training, I knew that city very well, so it was easy for me to go. So if that was he was like in India or somewhere, then maybe, maybe I consider, should I go? I don't know the city, but because he was in New York, oh, I know the city, I can't walk around and, yeah, okay, if you know the city, go ahead. So that was very easy to go back. So I was perfect. So I think it was the way how I had to be.

Todd McLaughlin: 9:59

Oh, it's. So cool, Emmy, you know i You're if I would, I am employ the listener to follow you on Instagram. Your handle is at Emmy tall, and it's spelled EMI, T, U, L, L. And then I also went to your website, which is life to happiness.com, and I noticed that on your website that you're teaching, or you have listed the Indaba Yoga Studio in London, the light center Belgravia in England, the try yoga. Chelsea, try yoga. Camden, try yoga. Shoreditch. All these different studios are these? Are these? All places that you teach in London,

Unknown: 10:41

I think you received a little bit old. Okay, fair enough. Unfortunately, the London, I even one point maybe if you we talked last year, yes, I was teaching all that. So I was moving around places and how my how many classes I'm teaching, stuff are the same at the moment as well. But unfortunately, some studios start closing down in London. Something get after the lockdown. I think some studios didn't survive, and so light center Bill grave is no longer available to offer the yoga class, so I don't teach there anymore, and try yoga shortage and count and I no longer did there. I teach in new studio called mission. I won. That's what it's been said. One of the biggest studio in Europe at the moment, Oh, wow. They kindly gave me a space to teach them a yoga so I saw the classes. There six classes a week. I'm still teaching as well. So and in try yoga, Chelsea as well I'm teaching. So I'm teaching in three places at the moment.

Todd McLaughlin: 12:04

Wow, that's impressive. Is, how did your journey evolve from the day that you taught your first class to where you are now I'm curious what type of reception you received in England as a Dharma yoga teacher, did you find that people were very hungry or interested in Dharma yoga? Or did you find are you finding that you had to be a bit of a pioneer to help inspire and set the standard

Unknown: 12:39

the first time? It's changed quite a lot. In the beginning, the class is not as strong, and other whole yoga in London that was not very strong. I think whole world changed, especially after the lockdown, but then now used to teach, then if, let's say, balances, not so many classes were doing. So I introduced many students, and then now they're becoming teachers, and they spread in those practice as well as has changed a lot and awareness of the pranayama and stuff as well. More people do not nowadays, teacher trainings everywhere, so they are more aware of those, pranayama, practice, meditation and even philosophy. Is more people interested, I think, by significant change I feel is the chanting when I start introducing the chanting, because when I was trying to sing and everybody so shy, no singing and being so shy. Now, when I teach, especially the beautiful of us, they know the worst, and they just sing so loud, sometimes difficult to hear myself very loud. So it's just changed so beautiful. So it's a, yeah, evolving this yoga practice in London. I guess that's in other cities as well, but yeah, and then Dharma Yoga also, many students practice Sri Dharma Mitra, and then decided to train with him. So we get more Dharma yoga teachers in London as well. So it's beautiful that they're sharing his teachings.

Todd McLaughlin: 14:36

That's cool, Emmy, did you play a part in organizing the gathering that occurred in England or London this last year, when Dharma went and taught there, I heard there was a large group that ended up proud.

Unknown: 14:52

Oh, yeah. That was a beautiful Yes. Oh, there. I think Adam Andrew and um. Ingava Yoga, mainly down the most of the path. So just try to support it away as much as I can. Yeah, so yes, that was wonderful to be part of it and then supporting this event. That was beautiful.

Todd McLaughlin: 15:13

That's cool. I mean, do you said you'd like to lead kirtan and or mantra practice? Do you play an instrument to accompany you when you chant.

Unknown: 15:23

I use harmonium, yes, yeah, nice.

Todd McLaughlin: 15:26

Do you have a favorite chant that you always gravitate toward?

Unknown: 15:32

I like all of them. I pick up the ones that I found. Then I'm listening to the I'm not having any talent to create anything new, so I just pick up, let's say, like some of the artists and Krishna does, or few different artists, and here, there's some resonate to my heart, and then just try to pick up the code with the and then just arrange a little bit, and then chanted with the students most of the time. But then I think there are many Maha Mantra. Hare Krishna, I think more, many of them. I think I have got some six, seven of them. I have my favorite. So I think Maha Mantra, I have more option to chant.

Todd McLaughlin: 16:25

Yeah, that's nice, yeah. Can you explain how chanting or MA and mantra helps your spiritual practice?

Unknown: 16:38

My personal self practice in the beginning, when I did went to the New York, and then in New York, they chant a lot. Adam would chance beautifully, and Shui Dharma used to be occasionally chants. And then when in London, there was no such a thing that time, or maybe I wasn't aware of it, so I I thought, I'm not gonna do it. And I asked Adam, can you help me to how to do this? And then he's, okay, take the video. And he just, which one do you want? And I asked the Jai Ganesha, and okay, take the recording. And then I had my iPad I bought, and just took the piece of video recording, and then that was it. So I had to go home and invite both harmonium and one by one look and hit the video. And it was one by one, but end up with his hands are much wider than me, and his voice was higher than me as well. So I had to change the code for myself. And then then I thought, okay, I had to practice myself. And then when I practice, I had my own harmonium. I had my teacher, sridhama, which was a photo on my harmonium, and then practice. The once I practice, time goes so quickly, like five six hours just goes, like a split second. And then go, it does that. I don't have as much time anymore, but when I do every day, like five six hours of the practice of that. It's just makes you cry. So I think I was a purification. It's just, it's not that because I'm sad, but it's just more like a joy and bliss. And just offer this chant into teacher, and that's feels so beautiful. And that was that great practice. I think one meditation and beautification combination of that. I think, yeah, that really helped and but I had to practice a lot in until I get to in front of the students, because as soon as someone I hear walking or something, then I make a mistake. So yeah, so it took me like six months to practice to before I bring into the class. But then, yeah, now I'm getting used to it. But then also my voice changed. Used to be when even asana practice, I keep the cues. My voice was probably little bit quieter, and that was the issue for my teaching. But now people say my voice, especially, one thing they said is they feel some vibration and they feel in the heart. So yeah, I don't know. I'm not in my own as the receiver, but then some people kindly say that they could comment about it. So I'm very happy that the people feel something Yeah, in their heart. So that really

Todd McLaughlin: 19:58

helps. That's cool. And. Okay, yeah, that's so interesting. I really appreciate you explaining all that. That's amazing. Do you know in Indian in India culture, there's a strong sense of reverence and appreciation for elders and appreciation for teachings being passed down through lineage and and shared in that in that way. And being that you've grown up in Japan, in Japanese culture, which I often hear from people. I've never had the opportunity to go Japan, but I hear that there is a similar type of respect for elders, appreciation for family and reverence, and then you've had an opportunity to live in both the United States and England. Can you talk a little bit about what you've noticed culturally between your roots and history growing up in Japan and how it's similar and or different to what you've experienced in America and England.

Unknown: 21:08

Yeah, like you said, yes, in Japan, we have those being respectful to elders and teachers very high so I think that culture helped me a lot for this journey. So it's natural for me to feel respectful to teacher and obedient to teacher. So yes, I feel that if, yeah, if we just generally talking about it, I see the difference in a way. So it's just really like generally speaking, of course, that the Western countries slightly different, but many people actually do, like martial arts or stuff like that. They also have to learn how to bow when they see the teacher. So some people already have, even the people born in Western countries and so, because, I said generally, because sometimes some students, feels like they're just coming to the asana practice and then just being customer instead of being student. Yeah, that happens, especially often in a in Western countries and in Japan, might be slightly different. I never do the yoga in Japan. But I think it's a bit different being because when students from Japan coming, they're calling me, since a teacher. So it's a different but after having said that, actually I think depends on the soul, even the people coming from the say, let's say Italy, from the England. Some of them are very respectful, and they're very spiritual. They are very respectful in from hurt, instead of not just that's the way it should be to teach. So even some students coming from Japan, they were, I don't say, self paced, but then they are very kind and very respectful in their action. But then, do you know? I don't know how to explain, but then some of the students from even Western countries, they from the heart they really comes is an appreciation. They're half crying to see me. I'm not that. It's just a reflection of their Yeah, yeah. Pureness already is just comes out and they see me. That's all. So it's not about me, but it's the heart is already so pure, and so the oldest soul is there. So, so I can't really say that. It's just because they're coming from where I like that. Yes, more people, more actually respectable from the some Asian country people, maybe. But I can't really say because some of them, even people coming from the India or Japan technology, and they just want to prepare. And just for some of people coming from the America, they'd say hello and thank you for, you know, greeting me very nicely as well. So, yeah, I think it's nowadays about culture. There's learned so many things from many different things. And then I think depends what they are, how much they they saw is old, or how they've been through in this lifetime. So yeah, I It's interesting. Sometimes they some students. Say, because the students not behaving very well, because they are not from Asia, and I said it's not really, some of the students actually know and better than I'm not saying them exactly. But then the person who think they're the most spiritual, actually, some of them are more deeper. And even they don't say I feel that they're when they are listening to me, their eyes are like, you know, half crying when I turn some of them crying. And I think that is the depends on that they are solved instead of where they are raised.

Todd McLaughlin: 25:37

Good answer, Emmy, that's a great answer. I really appreciate that, and I that makes me think, as you're talking, as you're explaining, that if we were to look for evidence that there's potential that there's the potential that reincarnation is real, that it it almost seems that that could point towards some evidence of that. Because, you know, maybe if reincarnation is real, and I lived in a body in a different era, in a different time, in a different culture, and then I come into this body, maybe we do carry a certain sense of, like you said, Soul depth, or old soul sort of quality. So I like the fact that you put attention on maybe it's not so much cultural, and it could be something that comes from deeper than that.

Unknown: 26:33

Yeah, because there's some people we don't remember what happened in life before, but then the soul is experiencing it so you get more conscious of something more subtle. And then I think their heart is calling to go even, let's say they are born in somewhere that is not very spiritual in a sense. But then their soul is calling. They might be able to find teacher, or they feel like moving to somewhere, and then they find a way. So, yeah, I think the soul is calling to lead them to go where they are supposed to go.

Todd McLaughlin: 27:15

Yeah, good answer. Emmy, I'm curious you have your finger on the pulse in the England or London yoga scene. Can you tell me what some of the challenges that you're hearing from other yoga teachers that you interact with? Can you can you share a little bit about what you're hearing, either from your own personal experience, or what you're hearing from other teachers that you interact with, what some of the challenges that you feel like you you might and or the community might be facing?

Unknown: 28:38

Um, I'm not sure if any challenge is going on, of course, the city nowadays, after because the lockdown, I think many students want to do physical exercise in a Short time and just get fit. So one point, yoga was very popular. Some people wanted to the spiritual part. Some people just wanted to the physical part. And then nowadays, online classes are available so you don't have to leave at home. And if you just want to get fit, you're just going to short class and practice class like less than one hour. So I think the popularity of yoga become a little bit lower here in London, and that is a little bit of the sad part. But not still the people who really want to do yoga, and they still practice, and they're still calling for it. So, yeah, I think it's the way I just, I don't see any difficulty. Just see us, just watching how it goes, just the flow, and just go with it. And if I can help anything, then I'll just go try to do my best to, yeah, do service, whatever I can give that's all is

Todd McLaughlin: 30:13

nice. I appreciate that. How do you navigate your own personal physical challenges in yoga in relation to just the experience of aging and growing and evolving. Do you have any you know? Have you, has your practice changed, or your physical practice, your asana practice? Do? Or are you in a place where. You feel absolutely amazing and don't have any aches or pains. Has How has your experience of the asana practice evolved over the years?

Unknown: 30:55

As I told you, I moved to New York originally because I was going to dance. I've been doing a physical aspect of the training all my life, basically. So when I decided to do yoga, it's just for that as a spiritual practice. So I didn't want to have any particular I didn't have any desire to be more flexible or strong or anything like that. So I don't really mind that if you can do stuff or not touch it, as long as the student can see what they had to do. Yeah. So to me, more challenge is to keep up the asana practice continue. Otherwise, I easy to draw to the pranayama meditation or chanting, using up, using up my time for that. So I had to practice that. So I had to keep telling myself to keep but now, during covid, we had online class, and then I was teaching this room. And until then, I never really had the injury. But then I had a injury. I wasn't sure what that was. I didn't do anything, but suddenly my knees start hurting, and then I keep going funny, and it's getting a lot better, but still ongoing, just a little bit. Still have a little bit. One point, it was very difficult to even walk, and it was LinkedIn. But I think that was because of the online teaching and one side demoing, and then the other side, I wanted to go to see students sitting on the table and try to address students online. So I put so one sided properly, and I'm still going even, even now I back to the yoga studio and teaching, but now, as soon as I see the second, second side, they know what to do, then I won't use my body to help and adjust people. Some people need to be upside down, and I try to help them. So I just run for it. That's why they're easy to miss that second side. Yeah, yeah. I think that is the cause and the problem. So I get injury, getting better, trying to fix it at home, my own self practice. So just that actually injury forced me to do my asana practice. So it's in a way, good, have to do the injury, otherwise I get too lazy to not asana practice. But definitely feel getting old, and I'm not as flexible as it used to be, and as not as strong as I used to be, but I don't really mind. I don't need I think students know what to do, and if students they want to do further, they want to become more strong and flexible, I'm happy to help, but I don't mind it for myself, and as long as I can show what they had to do, yeah. And then I know I have experience of that, how it feels like when I'm flexible. So I can help people flexible to go deeper, yeah. So it's just that only some students see me easy variation. I mean, you know, I had to demo more on the easy demo modification to the new people. More experienced students don't need that much of the demo actually. So I try to show the modification. And some students who cannot do the four posts try to copy me, to teach similar thing, and then try to give advanced pauses in their own classes. Then I thought that it's little bit of the danger that, because they don't know how it's supposed to fail, but they're teaching something advanced. Yeah. So sometimes I thought I had to do that, the four parts to show that I can do to those students who think okay to not be able to do but I can teach, but I think they should be able to do some stuff to be able to teach, because you have to know how it feels like and what you had. They have to be careful if they are flexible, stronger,

Todd McLaughlin: 35:19

yeah, good point.

Unknown: 35:20

But yeah. But for me, I don't mind going older and cannot do stuff. That's fine I won't be able to do 86 years old anyway, but I think my student will forgive me, and a good thing is that being yoga teacher is that. It's, it's, I don't have to feel worried about being getting old. Sri Dharma Mitra once said that it's good to have more gray hair than people you don't change, but they actually respect you more. And another is very encouraging for me. Okay, if I get older, maybe they can learn to how to be respectful to teacher. Then that's good for them. So all right, okay, if I get older, so yeah, of course, it's it's nice to do some posits with students. So I still try keep up. And I want them to be able to do some new poses or new variations. I try to keep up, of course, but, and I don't mind if I lose some stuff.

Todd McLaughlin: 36:29

Oh, I love your philosophy, Emmy, that is really refreshing. It's very refreshing to have a to hear a yoga teacher say, I'm okay with letting go of my yoga posturing being seen as perfect, or, you know, so so, you know, ideal. I really appreciate hearing that. That's extremely refreshing. Thank you so much. I don't, I don't know that we always bump into that, Emmy, right. I don't know that we always bump into that. I don't know that, that everyone really feels that relaxed about it.

Unknown: 37:14

We're going to the age anyway.

Todd McLaughlin: 37:15

So good point, great point.

Unknown: 37:18

Yeah, it's someday I'm gonna be just won't be able to do stuff then, so shifting up little by little, so trying to I'm more like I had to be able to raise my spiritual path stronger. That's I have to prepare myself once, like I cannot do that Asana enough. Then, you know I'm maybe I can teach something more spiritual part, but I think I'm not ready yet to go even deeper, so I had to keep up to be able to serve people to get more interest in spiritual part. That's that the whole point of the yoga. Yeah. So Asana part is just trying to have fun with the students, and if they want to do it, go ahead. I'll help you. Kind of,

Todd McLaughlin: 38:06

yeah, that's awesome. Emmy, how do you advertise or market your yoga teaching? Do you focus mostly on just being present in person and just showing up and just seeing who shows up and just working with the people that show up, and then just wait to see if more people show up the next time. Or do you have to dedicate a certain amount of time to, you know, doing the things like social media, emailing all that kind of stuff. How have you, how do you bring balance into that, into your practice and teaching?

Unknown: 38:49

I don't have too much time to the advertisement my thing, and I don't I have a social media because the when I did the training, end of the trainings, I said, maybe it's good to have the account to let students know that your schedule so minimum trying to give that students information if the schedule change is happening or and nowadays, there's a story to the daily going On, so I try to post that next day. I'm teaching tomorrow this so that takes just one minute or so. So I do only my phone. I'm on train, so it's very quick. Yeah, so, but I don't use that time that much. I don't take my video or photo of my poses or anything. It's nothing to show anyway, so just using all

Todd McLaughlin: 39:47

Yeah, that's refreshing to me. I like that approach as well. I I appreciate that. I think that's good advice. Take a minute or two, let people know, and then just focus on practice and teaching. And right at this point is where we lost internet connection. And so with that being said, it was, I think, perfect. Emmy. Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me today. And for those of you that would like to check us out, go to our website, native yoga center.com and also remember to go to Emmy's website, life of happiness.com if you are located in London, definitely go take a class with her. And for those of you on Instagram, go ahead and look her up at Emmy toll tall.com spelled EMI, T, U, L. Well, all right, have a wonderful day. Namaste, native yoga. Todd cast is produced by myself. The theme music is dreamed up by Bryce Allen. If you like this show, let me know if there's room for improvement. I want to hear that too. We are curious to know what you think and what you want more of what I can improve. And if you have ideas for future guests or topics, please send us your thoughts to info at Native yoga center. You can find us at Native yoga center.com, and hey, if you did like this episode, share it with your friends, rate it and review and join us next time.

Unknown: 41:43

Well, yeah, now, name.